Posted by
mgraves on Monday, April 23, 2007 9:32:01 PM
Over at the New Republic, there is an interesting exchange concerning the "lying us into war" canard. The comments, where the interesting exchanges occur, are in response to an article by Eric Rauchway where Rauchway discusses President Wilson's war against the Bolsheviks. (An interesting bit: Rauchway suggests that there were valid reasons for the war against the Bolsheviks, and implies the same for Iraq, while at the same time saying that both shouldn't have been waged).
An individual named Robert Powell has, in my opinion, the best end of the debate, but that's only because his opponents don't get bogged down in logical reasoning or consistency.
Powell's first post:
While it's always interesting to get some details on the seemingly endless mistakes of the Wilson administration, Rauchway's "false pretenses" meme is an egregious example of spreading lies that provide aid and comfort to the enemy.
It is fashionable but ridiculous to assert that we invaded Iraq on "false pretenses". It is a fact that Iraq started the war in 1990 with the invasion, rape, and annexation of our ally and charter member of the UN General Assembly, Kuwait. Combat operations carried on from 1991 until the present day.
Iraq comprehensively violated the terms of the ceasefire agreement and subsequent Chapter VII Resolutions, which stipulated among many other things that it was Iraq's obligation to disarm in a transparent and verifiable way. Hans Blix made it perfectly clear in his last report that Iraq had manifestly refused to do so. In order to arrive at even this unsatisfactory point we had been required to assemble an army of nearly half a million on the edge of the Arabian desert. With a steadily narrowing window for operations before the onset of summer, we were faced with a choice of invade or surrender to Saddam, who could have pulled the plug on the operation almost to the last moment by simply complying with his obligations.
It was a big mistake for the Bush administration to bang on endlessly about "justifications", everything from rape rooms and kiddie torture to terrorist links and mushroom clouds. It was predictable that some of these justifications would prove weak, and provide an opportunity for Saddam supporters to focus on them to the exclusion of the basics, as Rauchway does here and no doubt the Usual Suspects will continue to do. But if we aren't justified in taking exceptional measures to resolve a war with a state that has engaged in wars of aggression, genocide, the proliferation and use of wmd's, rocketing supertankers, torching oilfields, financing terrorism, shooting missiles into the neighbors it didn't invade, and violating a world's record sixteen Chapter VII Security Council Resolutions, we will never be justified to fight any state any where, ever.
His replies to responses prove as strong as this.